Scottsdale Personality Traits

August 11, 2008 by Frank 

 

 

I posted this a year ago, but since there’s been a recent rise in traffic – we even have some new trolls here – I thought I’d repost this “must read” for our newcomers – I originally found this on another site’s discussion forum in a thread about Scottsdale:

If I had to choose one word (OK, a hyphenated word…) to describe the vibe here, it would be “self-absorbed.”  

I made a short list of pet peeves that I still have not become accustomed to since moving here and sent it to my friends for a laugh. I’ve copied it here because it may help anyone thinking of taking the plunge. Here goes:

-If You are waiting for help at the store and someone else is ahead of You, just pretend like You were first. If You get called on it, just act like You didn’t notice the other person. It won’t seem unusual to anyone; they’re used to it.

-When waiting in a long line at the store, it’s OK to get impatient when people are in front of you, but make sure You ask all of Your stupid, irrelevant questions when You get to the front. What matters is You having to wait, not anyone else.

-When You and the rest of the mom’s group take all of Your kids to Starbucks for “playgroup,” You do not need to clean up after Yourself and Your inconsiderate, spoiled brats. There are people working at Starbucks to do that. Same applies to any fast food restaurant. Leave your mess for the next group. Who cares.

-Ignore everyone unless there’s something in it for You. If someone You know clearly sees You and heads toward You, put on the fake smile, act like you just won the lottery, and muddle through it. It will be over soon and You can get back to You.

-Just because they’re your neighbors doesn’t mean you wave or speak to them. Keep them at a distance. They might find out more about you than you want them to know. Pull your Lexus straight in to the garage and close the automatic door. That way, you won’t risk an encounter. Trying to form relationships with your neighbors will be disappointing, so give up now. [Frank's Comment: This is perhaps the truest point on the list!]

-Cell phone calls are fine anywhere, any time. It doesn’t matter if You’re in line buying lunch. You can take a quick break from Your call to tell the cashier what You want. You don’t need to look at them or acknowledge them beyond that. They won’t look at You or even acknowledge Your existence anyway. Make sure you have a loud, annoying ringer and talk loud so everyone can hear your important business call.

-No “please” or “thank you” under any circumstances, ever. It is understood that if someone did something for You, You deserved it. Niceties are unnecessary and do not benefit You.

-It is only OK to acknowledge or talk to a complete stranger if You can sell them something or need something from them.

-Your definition of self comes from what You do, where You live, and Your possessions, not what kind of person You are. Appearances are everything. You are unlikely to ever have a conversation with someone from here that goes any deeper than these superficial subjects.

-Church is for networking and showing off your stuff. If the church doesn’t look like the Ritz Carlton inside, you must not be in Northeast Phoenix. Be prepared to shell out 10% of your salary to keep it that way. Remember, it’s tax-deductible, just like all of the other local church business ventures.

-You owe more on your house than it’s worth, but there’s a new pearl white Escalade with chrome 24’s and a DVD player and a black S500 in the driveway, lots of Tuscan furniture and nick-knacks your decorator picked out, motorized toys and go-peds for the kids so they leave you alone, and a $75,000 kitchen you never use because you only eat out.

-Nothing is what it appears to be. Nothing is your fault. Nothing is your responsibility.
Special Scottsdale addenda to the Arizona drivers handbook:

-When You are backing out of a parking space, You may put Your SUV in reverse and proceed without looking. Through traffic will stop to avoid hitting You. If they honk, act surprised and honk back. They obviously are not from Phoenix anyway or they would know better.

-You do not need to use Your turn signal, no matter what the circumstances, unless it somehow benefits You. Not even the cops use them. Others will swerve to avoid Your unannounced maneuver. Also, remember: The closer You cut it, the less necessary a turn signal is. If you signal to squeeze in, the person will quickly close the gap because he doesn’t want to lose 1/2 second of time. What’s important is getting where You want to be right now.

-It is OK to run a red light. People from Phoenix do it all the time. Yellow is the same as green. Just keep driving. Once the light has actually turned red, You may still proceed through the intersection if You are less than 100 feet from it. Others will wait for You. The cops don’t care because it’s easier and faster to write speeding tickets. Don’t be surprised to see it takes 5 cop cars to “handle” the scene.

-Points are awarded for being the first one at the intersection for a red light. You may take any measures required to be first. If You cut someone off to be first, make sure You take Your sweet time once the light turns green for extra credit.

-Mercedes, BMW, Lexus, Hummer, Land Rover, Jaguar, Escalade. Less than three years old. That’s it. Nothing else makes You worthy of North East Phoenix. Exception: If You are under 18, it is OK to have a lifted crew cab F250 4WD. Your parents understand that You are young and they won’t mind shelling out $50K for Your toy. Your friends all have one and so should You.

 

PREVIOUSLY POSTED COMMENTS:

I still really don’t understand why someone that moved away and is so over Scottsdale devotes any time at all to a website about that place. I just do not understand. Why not create a site about how great Newport is and talk about it with those residents?

Well, Park, Frank has a hang up regarding Scottsdale. You do understand that love and hate are close on the continuum and Frank clearly would like to be here as a resident. Unfortunately, not everyone can afford to live here, especially in my Zip Code of 85262. Nevertheless, many choose to enjoy the many amenities we offer, a number of which even those of limited resources can experience.
Sorry, Park, but it is a simple case of envy and I am sure Frank has known envy in all its classic forms.

Ill explain so you understand Park. This website is a public service for those whom may consider the life ending mistake of moving to the valley of the sun and more specifically Scottsdale.

Many people do things that benefit the greater good and this site in one of them.

Creating a site about Newport is not a useful as I certainly wont be saying “Oh man why did I move to Newport!! this place sucks!!” When is it infinitely more posiible for me to say “Oh crap what the hell was I thinking moving to Scottsdale”

Not only is it not really useful to create a pro-Newport site, but people don’t have to justify to themselves why they live here. They’re just happy.

This is in contrast to Scottsdale where people endlessly talk about how great it is, the “nice weather” and “nice shopping and restaurants” because somewhere deep down inside they know it sucks and must justify living there to themselves.

I’ve never been anywhere else where people constantly have to tell you why they live there. Who cares? Who’s asking? Well, they’re asking themselves every day so they come up with that b.s.

By the way, someone please give Steve his pills today. He’s at it again, claiming no one else can afford to live in shithole 85262 with the snakes and scorpions.

Hey, I’m stuck in zip 85262 and know every square acre it of and then some. It and the surrounding N. Scottsdale,Carefree and Cave Creek area is nothing but a repository of amoral financially over-stretched grifters and pretenders.
And adjoining just east of Scottsdale Rd., are your “neighbors” of Phoenix unincorporated, a revolting spectacle of trailer park ambience with residents similar to the backwoods skells as in the movie “Deliverance”.

Agreed – the further north you get, the worse the fakeness and snobbery become. Nothing but a bunch of Steves who are pissed off that they’re losing their cars and homes and are paying the piper for years of credit addiction and living above their means to pretend to be rich.

Steve,

Frank lives in NEWPORT FUCKING BEACH! He could afford to live in Scottsdale, probably 3 or 4 times over. But he lives in a city of ACTUAL wealth/affluence, instead of the LEVERAGED APPEARANCE of wealth. Huge difference.

Bragging about living in Scottsdale is like bragging about having chlamydia.

That was an excellent post, Frank. As far as the Scottsdale cancer spreading through the Valley…well it looks like Tempe caught the bug. You could see it coming with those incredibly overpriced Tempe condos (that are still not finished after well over a year of construction). Tempe for some reason wants to follow in Scottsdale’s steps with “classy” bars for the yuppie poseur trash.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2008/08/06/20080806tr-millbars0807.html

A few noteworthy comments:
“Scottsdale is a soulless town full of shallow people and chain stores and restaurants. It has zero charm. Tempe is making a huge mistake.”

“Scottsdale types? That is the sole reason I go to Tempe, to AVOID the Scottsdale types! We don’t need any cheezzzzzy 20,000 dollar millionaires. ”

Its sad to see this happening. Tempe used to be a great place a few years ago.

Frank:

I remember this post..such a good one – especially the section about pulling directly into the garage to avoid greeting the neighbors (hah!), thanks for reposting!

MG

Park:

I’ll just add *consumer protection* to Matt’s excellent descripton of this site’s main attribute. Frank is doing the entire country a public service by warning potential residents AHEAD OF TIME so they can make an informed choice about Scottsdale.

MG

Your list applies to people everywhere. Poor unbringing and the detactment of the internet have spawned a society of rude, selfish and ignorant clods. Just moved to Scottsdale and I don’t find the people here to be dramatically different than people everywhere. They are a mixed bag, some good and some bad. Making sweeping generalizations is both unfair and inaccurate. My new neighbors, except for one (who happens to be from Southern California),have been warm, friendly and helpful. Whenever ANYONE in my area crosses paths with another person there is alway a warm greeting exchanged — even with the “residents similar to the backwoods skells as in the movie Deliverance” That was a very unkind and elitist comment, by Raven, by the way. What I do find is that one is likely to get back what one puts out in attitude and gestures and most well adjusted, self assured people, when faced with rude morons, will just get over it and move on.

JJ - 

You said you just moved to Scottsdale. That means you are still in the honeymoon phase. It’s been generally agreed upon here on the site that it takes about a year to really see Scottsdale for what it is.

Trust me, it will wear on you.

As to your rude neighbor from SoCal, it’s also well-known that real Californians don’t leave California. The ones who go to Arizona: 90% are from somewhere else (usually the Midwest) but because California is the best place they’ve ever lived, they claim to be “from” there. The other 10%, the CA natives who move to Scottsdale, are mostly trailer trash, two-striker felons, and other sorts of rejects.

Eric -

Steve is the typical north Scottsdale nut who is in denial about what a shithole he lives in.

Not only does he claim that I “can’t afford” Scottsdale but last week he made that comment about people from NYC and Chicago.

Umm, yeah, okay there Steve…..

Please understand, I am not trying to be rude or upset anyone here. However, just as you say you are “warning” people. You could create a site about Newport just as easily. Look at all the message boards on the internet about various “supporters” of different topics. People with shared interests visit there and talk about their opinions. This site is different. This site simply spreads hate. And, in a world of continuous dislike among people of different race, sex, age, gender, religion, etc. it is sad to see something so unnecessary.

There are bad apples in every city in America. I am sorry if some of you have had bad experiences in Arizona, but there are just as many good people as there are bad. it is all who you associate yourselves with. Furthermore, allowing others to dictate how you view or feel about a place is sad and really an elementary way of thinking.

“You could create a site about Newport just as easily.”

Well, no, not really … people here are happy and it shows and I don’t have to deal with the endless rudeness and nastiness I encountered in Scottsdale.

“There are bad apples in every city in America.”

Yes, but nowhere will you find more fake, mean, nasty, rude people than in Scottsdale, nor will you find a higher percentage of shysters and con men anywhere else. Not even Las Vegas.

I admit I didn’t ask my neighbor if he is a bona fide Californian. I am, however, being third generation on both sides of my family. I have not, nor has any one in my family ever been incarcerated, my husband is a Scottish national with a degree in Nuclear Physics and I have had various professional careers in my lifetime as well, I have raised a well educated, self supoprting 23 year old daughter. My husband was recruited from a top level postiion at one of the largest high tech companies in Silicon Valley to be part of the executive team at his current company. From what I have read about you, you too are a professional person so it suprises me that you make such incredibly rude, and incorrect, generalizations about your target group…”mostly trailer trash, two-striker felons, and other sorts of rejects”. Not everyone fits into your very narrow descrition of Scottsdale residents. I am a VERY easy going person and can be happy no matter where I live. There are a lot of things about the Arizona lifestyle that appeal to me specifically though I can appreciate that it may not be everyone’s cup of tea. And I don’t run in the sort of circles that attract rich, or wannabe rich, conceited blowhards so I think I will be okay. I will check back with you in a year, Frank, and be happy to admit if I am not pleased with my choice to move to Arizona. I do appreaciate you posting my comments even though my opinion and your do not match. BTW – New port Beach is a lovely place but not nearly as nice as the Northern Californian Coast ;) Cheers!

I admit I didn’t ask my neighbor if he is a bona fide Californian. I am, however, being third generation on both sides of my family. I have not, nor has any one in my family ever been incarcerated, my husband is a Scottish national with a degree in Nuclear Physics and I have had various professional careers in my lifetime as well, I have raised a well educated, self supoprting 23 year old daughter. My husband was recruited from a top level postiion at one of the largest high tech companies in Silicon Valley to be part of the executive team at his current company. From what I have read about you, you too are a professional person so it suprises me that you make such incredibly rude, and incorrect, generalizations about your target group…”mostly trailer trash, two-striker felons, and other sorts of rejects”. Not everyone fits into your very narrow descrition of Scottsdale residents. I am a VERY easy going person and can be happy no matter where I live. There are a lot of things about the Arizona lifestyle that appeal to me specifically though I can appreciate that it may not be everyone’s cup of tea. And I don’t run in the sort of circles that attract rich, or wannabe rich, conceited blowhards so I think I will be okay. I will check back with you in a year, Frank, and be happy to admit if I am not pleased with my choice to move to Arizona. I do appreaciate you posting my comments even though my opinion and your do not match. BTW – New port Beach is a lovely place but not nearly as nice as the Northern Californian Coast ;) Cheers!

Northern California is beautiful but too cold for me :)

And one of the reasons I chose OC is my love for the 2nd Amendment – OC issues CCW permits to ordinary citizens unlike the north (with Mendocino County being the exception). I’ve got my trusty Glock on me right now, 100% legally, just like I did in Arizona!

After 7 years of living in Arizona, both in and out of Scottsdale, I can tell you there are parts of the Valley I truly enjoy and could live in, but Scottsdale isn’t one of them.

Interestingly, a friend of mine is a Mercedes salesman in Phoenix and tells me the customers of his who are genuinely wealthy and initially move to Scottsdale wind up moving to Arcadia within 1-2 years after they get fed up with the Scottsdale game and desire the company of genuine people again.

So, I won’t try to make up your mind for you but I’m very curious to hear your opinion a year from now, and find out if you’re still in Scottsdale then.

“You could create a site about Newport just as easily.”

Well, no, not really … people here are happy and it shows and I don’t have to deal with the endless rudeness and nastiness I encountered in Scottsdale.

“There are bad apples in every city in America.”

Yes, but nowhere will you find more fake, mean, nasty, rude people than in Scottsdale, nor will you find a higher percentage of shysters and con men anywhere else. Not even Las Vegas.
Frank, are you kidding? I outlined in my last post just how easy it would be to create that site. People that are “happy” about something and are “passionate” about that, in this case Newport, love to post about things like that. Why else would their be sports message boards, band message boards, movie blogs, etc? It would be easy.

What I have learned from this site is that your comments appear to be very one sided, often refusing to look at the other side of an argument. Looking back through your posts, you contradict yourself quite often and never explain why you change your mind. In addition, have you met everyone that lives in the area that you blast? The answer is no. So your wildly inaccurate comment about “fake, mean, nasty, etc.” has no factual basis. It is merely an opinion of someone that does not take a proper sample size.

My husband and I looked at a few area and we happened to find a really great house (for a great price) in North Scottsdale. We are both BIG outdoors people and love all the nature that comes our way — well maybe the Scorpions and Snakes would be the exception but they were there before us. If AZ works out for us then maybe we will get a better idea where to settle long term. As far as the CCW — My father was a hunter and gun collector and my husband, by virture of being Scottish and deprived of guns, can’t wait to (responsibly) own a firearm.

Check out Scottsdale Gun Club – it’s a GREAT indoor range – many people say it’s the nicest in the US. They also offer the CCW class.

Thanks for the advice. My husband will be very excited. BTW — where is Arcadia?

It is approximately from 40th Street in Phoenix to the Scottsdale border, north of Indian School Road to Camelback Mountain. I used to live off Campbell and 44th St and really loved it, there are a massive amount of amazing restaurants there and it’s close to the airport if you travel much.

As a 4th generation Californian, I can attest to the tendency of certain people to state they are a Californian, when in fact they are not…

….they lived here for a year or so, or attended college here, moved to another State and then tell everyone they are a Californian. In my experience, these so-called “Californians” actually come from Rust Belt states, the Pacific Northwest, Colorado, Idaho and Utah. Their incredibly rude behavior has resulted in real Californians being insulted with such descriptors as, “Californicator” or “Clownifornian” or “Land of Fruit & Nuts” etc.

I guess its OK to bash Cali but not honesty report on how other areas are not too cool? Like how I have been followed by AZ “highway patrol” for no reason? Like how I have been subjected to intentional lane-blocking by “dudes” in pick-up trucks who assume I’m a Liberal just because I have CA plates on my car? Or hitting on me when accompanied by my partner as I have experienced in Scottsdale?

As a Californian, I would say that Scottsdale is a blend of Fontana/Corona/and the Antelope Valley.

Like I have posted before: real Californians last about 1 year or at the most 2 – 3 years out-of-state before giving up and moving back to Cali. Studies have already been published in the Los Angeles Times re this phenom: 2/3 of us move back within 3 years.

I go to AZ every 5 weeks on business. I’m glad that you currently appreciate Scottsdale. Being that you claim to be from NorCal, I am surprised you’ve adjusted so well to an environment that is extremely hot compared to the coastal areas north of SF. Whatever you do, please do all of us Californians a favor and if Scottsdale is what you love, then by all means stay there (respectfully stated).

MG

So what…I’m stuck here in “upscale” North Scottsdale Zip 85262, right near 85255..yeah, sgl-lvl,4 car grg. 1.5 acre, and all the “entertainer” backyard addtns that locals here lust for, but can’t use because it’s either scorching or blustery/cold.So what..big deal.
The house(s) or perceived lifestyle means nothing..its the caliber and culture of the residents that make a real city, community. And this AIN’T nothing but a lower middle class community posing as an upscale burb full of types well documented on this blog.
Frank, keep up your public service contribution in exposing this pit, as if even one person avoids the blunder of relocating here, its well worth it.

Here’s a radical idea:

You judge people based on their individual character, not where they’re from or where they live.

I know…I know…

The world of “scottsdale-sucks.com” might not be ready for me.

WOW !! Shyster, you must have gotten new meds. Thats the first sentient comment I think you’ve ever made!!

And your right we here at Scottsdale-Sucks.com DO judge people based on their individual character. We’ve judged you, and your fellow Scottsdale fakes. It just so happens like you find monkeys in the jungle, you find fakes in Scottsdale….it’s just pure scientific observation.

What is the CAUSE of these traits showing up in one place?

Great post, I laughed out loud at how spot-on it is. I can see why it struck a nerve with the Scottsdale Sucks house monkey – Steve Lowen. Btw, raven is right about 85262. It’s hard to believe that a phony ‘upscale’ zip code can look so run down and depressing. There’s all that bizarre multi colored signage and garbage that’s along Happy Valley and Pima. It’s real classy to drive to your ‘upscale’ home and have to pass that eyesore.

Hill,

that’s the $64,000 dollar question I’ve been seeking the answer to…what forces, ranging from socio-econonic to political and everything in between, “is the CAUSE of these traits showing up in on place”, as you well state. Of course, such human behavior is sprinkled thruout the US and even the world, but in Scottsdale and particularly the Northern piece, its saturated to an almost pandemic degree. For the record and in fairness, I’ve met many North Scottsdale residents who also share their disappointment, if not disgust, for the downward spiral of the community and its sinking reputation.

D,

that hideous and vulgar display of signage along Happy Valley and Pima Rds is a long story and goes back a while.
The “activist” owner is a former New Yorker carpetbagger,(full disclosure, I’m Manhattan born and raised), who can’t have his way with the zoning, after he knowingly bought the acreage under those legal stipulations year ago. Another example, of a transplant phony who found a “home” here, a place with an absence of values where crass, “me first” behavior is not only tolerated but emulated.

What’s the real story behind that guy at Happy Valley & Pima? I was told that he’s protesting the fact that the city makes zoning decisions based on bribery & favoritism and for all this time I thought he was on our side.

What’s his real deal?

Maybe I just thought he was a “good guy” because he’s opposing the City of Scottsdale and 99.999% of the time the city is in the wrong and is corrupt.

Park… It’s pointless for you to even TRY to make sense of the endless, repetitive, trite entries that get posted here. It’s all so monotonous week after week after week. I, as well as yourself, am perplexed as to why someone who is SO relieved to be out of a place they are repulsed by, would devote time on a blog to said place, especially considering most entries are just analogous to ones that were posted maybe 2-3 wks earlier. The same words, the same analogies, the same ‘witty’ retorts answering your questions of “why”…. 
It’s like being on that ride at the carnival where the floor drops from underneath you then suctions you onto the wall all by spinning really fast. It just gives you a headache or makes you throw-up. 

This is what I heard a while back …. he wants to have the property re-zoned so he can sell smaller one acre or less home sites. He also wants or wanted a small chunk of the land zoned commercial.

The properties east of him up to Alma School are all sfr on 4 to 5 acres or larger and the property owners are blocking him through city council (that’s what I heard). They want his land to stay designated for sfr on acreage similar to theirs which is how the land was zoned when he purchased it.

He has really cranked up the show lately. Theres a bunch of new signs and it looks like the others got some fresh paint.

“WOW !! Shyster, you must have gotten new meds. Thats the first sentient comment I think you’ve ever made!!

And your right we here at Scottsdale-Sucks.com DO judge people based on their individual character. We’ve judged you, and your fellow Scottsdale fakes. It just so happens like you find monkeys in the jungle, you find fakes in Scottsdale….it’s just pure scientific observation.”

Matt, you already had me thought out and judged based on a few comments I made on the internet? That’s lackluster. Just wondering, are you the same type of guy that falls in love with a girl after the first date?

Also, I don’t take any meds. Where’d you get that from? Another stereotype.

Finally, I salute you. It must’ve been quite a feat to meet each and every single person in a city with almost 250 thousand of them!

Shyster, your broad generalizations only support my point.

Frank: This is from the Mill Avenue article, and quite frankly, it deserves its own freaking post.

The Library, known for its waitresses dressed in schoolgirl uniforms, recently hired Advertising and Entertainment Director Sarah Lauderbeck to help create an image that will attract more “Scottsdale types,” Guzman said.

BWAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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  1. Will on August 18th, 2008 6:17 am

    I live in Scottsdale, even though I like living here, I find it hard to disagree with the stereotypes that are talked about on this site. I love Scottsdale, but I HATE the Old Town crowd and culture, its just High School all over again, and being an ASU student, I’m not in a hurry to go back to High School. Even though all my friends are down there on the weekends and my friend works VIP at Axis, I just think pay 50-100 bucks a night to drink is nuts. Much better places that money can go, and by the time those people figure it out, it’ll be too late. That whole area is a false reality, its where the kids who peaked in High School go to hang out now. But as much as i hate Old Town, Scottsdale like the rest of the Valley is still a pretty nice place to live, just some of the residence have alot of growing up to do. Hopefully with time that will change.

  2. Justin Winemiller on November 6th, 2008 9:41 am

    For everyone who trashes Scottsdale:
    I’m not going to fill this with hateful derogatories, or claim I’m going to find you and destroy your property, I just have a few simple questions for you.
    One, if you don’t like the city, make a positive step. Move away. In all facts, it is YOUR own fault.I’ve lived in Scottsdale my entire life, with the exception of the last two years being stationed in Japan, and have never had any problems with the section of scottsdale i live in. I live in South Scottsdale. McDowell & Granite Reef.
    Yes, people are naturally stupid. You can’t change that. Yes, we have crime. Doesn’t everyone? Show me a city that is crime free. Just one. Doesn’t happen, now does it? Yes, I only have my H.S. Diploma. So what? Because i live in Scottsdale, I’m automatically a bad person? I joined the Marines straight out of Scottsdale, not to escape anything, but to make an impact on my country. So, I’m not trying to bash anybody, here, but you all need to think. You don’t like it? Fine. Go live in California, or NYC, or anywhere else. I don’t care.

    Oh, and Frank?
    Your representation of the people here, your so called Scottsdale “Men” and “Women”? Get a straight perspective on people. Not everyone is who you label them.

    Private First Class Justin Winemiller
    Marine Corps Air Station Iwakuni, Japan
    United States Marine Corps.

  3. Frank on November 7th, 2008 8:00 pm

    Hi Justin,

    A few thoughts:

    - I did leave Scottsdale for CA. Almost 2 years ago. I only keep the site up because it has a very large loyal following who don’t want me to take it down. Personally I don’t have a lot of time for it anymore but update once a week or so to keep it alive.

    - On crime, arrogant people, etc., yes all cities have these things, but all to varying degrees. I think Scottsdale has more of the negative than positive these days and most people agree with me on that. No, it wasn’t always like that. Scottsdale was still a nice place to live when I moved there in 2000, but by 2004 the decline was in full swing and now the city is just obnoxious.

    On a positive note, thank you for your service. My only real regret in life is not joining the Marines when I had the chance.

  4. Justin Winemiller on November 8th, 2008 11:31 am

    Frank,
    I thank you for your candidness.

  5. Craig on December 2nd, 2008 8:46 pm

    I’d like to chime in as a middle aged “Poser” living in Troon. I married my high school sweatheart and 25 years ago we moved to Scottsdale. We have had the good fortune to meet and form wonderful friendships with people from all over the country. Surprisingly, even in Scottsdale. We have not found people in Scottsdale to be so very different. I will freely admit that we have never sought friendships by frequenting clubs and bars. In fact, we have never been to any of the “Trendy” spots mentioned on this site. We are just like most people. We work hard, spend as much time as possible with family and friends and try to give back to the community. We don’t have any debt, save the accumulated portion of utilites since last months bill. I would guess most of our Scottsdale friends are not unlike us, though I have not asked to see their financial statements. And finally, to compare Scottsdale to Orange County? What is more pretentious than SOCAL. There have been television shows dedicated to the excesses of Orange County. What is more obnoxious than Hollywood and Beverly Hills? And, just for the record. California is suffering the same financial woes as Arizona.

    I hope all of you, especially Frank, find what you are looking for wherever you decide to relocate. I hope that you find the natives of your new town a more amiable bunch! I hope that they are couteous and don’t cut you off in traffic or in line. I hope they hold the door open for you if you have an arm full of groceries or are pushing your child in a stroller. I hope they will smile and greet you in a friendly manner. And for those of you left behind in this dreadful place, I will do my best to be the best “Poser” I can be. Maybe if you are as well, it will become contagious and Scottsdale will be a better community to live in.

  6. Frank on December 11th, 2008 5:28 pm

    “I hope all of you, especially Frank, find what you are looking for wherever you decide to relocate. I hope that you find the natives of your new town a more amiable bunch! I hope that they are couteous and don’t cut you off in traffic or in line. I hope they hold the door open for you if you have an arm full of groceries or are pushing your child in a stroller. I hope they will smile and greet you in a friendly manner.”

    Craig, yes, I have found that here in Newport Beach. Ironically. Those of us who live here are completely baffled by why outsiders are so convinced that things are Scottsdale-like here. Yes, Hollywood may be considered obnoxious, but that’s 55 miles from here, and quite honestly, even Hollywood is friendlier than Scottsdale in my opinion.

    I’m happy to see that you’ve got a good thing going in Troon. I know someone else who does as well (though he’s retired and all of his neighbors are retirement age too, which is good for them but counts me out at 35).

    I’m sorry though that you are naive enough to think that what you see on the Real Housewives of OC is representative of the majority of people who live here. Along with every other television show.

    Craig, I used to believe that crap too. And I believed all the envious Scottsdale people who told me how terrible SoCal is. Then I visited here and saw for myself. When I was single I went to Hollywood on weekends and found the women to be a lot friendlier than they are in Scottsdale. And now that I’m not single and we’ve decided to settle in Newport Beach, we’re not only continually astonished every single day at how friendly and happy the people are vs. Scottsdale, but are saddened to turn on the ‘Real Housewives’ and see how terrible they are and that is how outsiders think of us.

    Spend some time here and you’ll not only change your mind very quickly but will probably move here too ;)

  7. Craig on December 11th, 2008 6:53 pm

    Hey Frank,

    Thanks for responding. You were right to call me out on my comment regarding SOCAL. I have never spent much time there, and admit, I have never even watched any of the shows I mentioned. I have friends and relatives in Orange County and consider them to be of the highest character.

    We definetly enjoy vacationing in SOCAL. Maybe we’ll try Newport sometime. We found a place in Laguna we really like because it is right on the beach and has good restaurants. We like to park the car and stay put.

    We were invited to and went to a place you might consider obnoxious. Mastros. It was quite pretentious, but I found it rather amusing. There was a constant parade of attractive women in short black dresses being pursued by a cadre of young fellows with gold watches and American Express cards. I will not go back. Any moron that would pay $19 for a martini must be delusional. Even for such a good show!

    On another note. I purchased your book and can’t wait to see what you have to say. I don’t cold call much anymore, but when I do, find it to be exhilarating. My business takes me into heavy industrial areas and the activity is mind boggling. It is not work, but more like going on a field trip.

    An finally, If I ever moved to SOCAL, it would be for the beauty of the area and the climate. The people of Scottsdale have not sufficiently annoyed me to consider an escape.

    Take Care Frank. And Congrats on your Marriage!

    Craig

  8. Bill on December 24th, 2008 9:33 am

    Frank:

    I lived in Scottsale for 2.5 years and just stumbled upon your website. Your comments on Scottsdale are 100% dead on. It is impossible to make friends in Scottsdale because everyone is so phony and fake. I moved away 3 years ago and don’t miss it one bit.

    Bill

  9. Frank on December 29th, 2008 8:40 pm

    Well, Mastro’s is gaudy everywhere – including the Scottsdale locations!

    If you REALLY want to see fakeness in Newport Beach, go to Javier’s in Crystal Cove, the same shopping center where Mastro’s Ocean Club is. The place is like a little slice of Scottsdale in the OC. Fortunately for us, it’s the only place where you will find those people, which means we completely avoid them everywhere else.

    The one positive about this recession is that the only fake pretentious people I’ve really ever seen here are the middle eastern population, which is fairly significant, but in the last few months they have seeming disappeared from existence. We hardly see any anymore out in the bars and restaurants, and my Mercedes salesman friend tells me they’re mostly option-arm/HELOC phonies so I have to assume they’re all broke by now.

  10. Beth on April 16th, 2010 5:16 pm

    Since moving here some six years ago, my mother and I have garbled endlessly on the strange behavior of people living here. Scottsdale, by far, seems to be the worst Valley community when it comes to openness, humility and general tolerance of other people. It is empty, both literally and figuratively, and getting worse every year.

    I LOL’d on the “please and thank you” observation (everywhere else in the greater U.S., people say excuse me when they pass you in a store), and general lack of understanding for people around them. I fear it may rub off on me sooner or later.

    As a general note, the fact that so many people feel this way about Scottsdale is a little disconcerting. Perhaps we should band together in some way to fight this evil treachery!

  11. Marilyn on February 26th, 2011 5:56 pm

    Wow, this all is totally true about most folks here. But for me, I work from home as does my husband, and I think that there are some good people out here. I have met a few decent people, and many who I would not engage for 2 minutes in conversation. The cell phones and loud talkers, cutting in line, bragging about possessions, and lack of understanding about people around them are SO true and I almost fell out of my chair laughing. Personally, I will keep my 2001 Isuzu for driving to the gym and the grocery store and laugh at the shenanigans of these “different” people. After 46 years of living on the East Coast I cannot see myself morphing into one of these kooks!

  12. Unknown on June 30th, 2012 4:58 pm

    There is a song written specifically on the d-bags of s’dale on Youtube. It’s called-
    Scottsdale bars
    This song is so funny and people should watch it. :)

  13. Ray on June 23rd, 2013 11:20 am

    Scottsdale is the home base of failures for the country. People flock here from other states (Cali, NY, Chicago and many others) because they failed miserably in their home states and can no longer afford to live there. Without mention you have the sadistic Arizonians of course which is the gravy on top.

    In the same breath they come to AZ and act as if they are living breathing gods among men. They by the 5 bedroom home made of play dough go and make 600 car payments for their Benz and run up whatever little bit of credit they have left at Fashion Square.

    This is beyond pathetic its a flat out tragedy!

    TO THE PITS OF DAMNATION WITH AZ!

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